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1 year ago ::
Jan 26, 2012 - 10:23AM
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Is Johnny Gat, one of the most influential characters in the history of the Third Street Saints, dead? Alive? On the "Lost" island? Who knows! But we know one thing, this is now the thread to discuss the beloved Mr. Gat.
All discussion on Gat's whereabouts and motives should now be posted here to prevent the Single Player section from overflowing with similar threads. Have an idea of where Gat is? Post it here. Think he's dead? Tell us why here.
Remember, play nice! It's fun to discuss the possibilities, but not fun attacking other users for having different opinions on the subject.
-DC
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1 year ago ::
Jan 26, 2012 - 10:54AM
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well its about time we need one of these badly mostly because about 36% of the forums are about johnny gatand all you needd to do know is tell people that all the stuff should go here but in reality this topic needs its own select folder (eg saints row the third single player that kind of thing )
you just got genkified biatch
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1 year ago ::
Jan 26, 2012 - 12:23PM
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Yeah, can we close the others?
SR2 > SR3
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1 year ago ::
Jan 27, 2012 - 1:53AM
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Finally! I was getting tired of reading all the Johnny Gat topics O.o Here's my idea of what happened. This is based off the Save Shaundi ending. After we hear the gunshots it goes to a screen of Johnny. He turns around and shoots up the Syndicate guards who where shooting at him. As he leaves the cockpit somebody was hiding behind him against the wall. They come up behind him and knock him out. We are given the full scene of Loren talking to Killbane and Matt only through Johnny's eyes. He is blacking in and out of consciousness before finally going out again. After Loren is done talking to Killbane and Matt he asks the twins to leave because he is calling his employer. He rings somebody else up. This person turns out to be Dex who has taken control of Ultor after Eric Gryphon's unfortunate death. (Staged assassination. The saints have no idea any of this has happened. yet ;) ) Loren tells Dex he has a old friend of his and the camera shows Johnny. (I thinks it's been proven he is in the room. If you watch the cut scene you can see him against the desk.) Dex tells him good and that he wants him right away. Loren agrees asking what Dex will plan to do with him. They get in to a conversation about the cloning program they have. They are going to try and clone a Johnny army to fight the Saints. (Personally I wouldn't want to fight that army O.o one Johnny is enough an army though...) After some more discussion Loren agrees to have Johnny sent to the city where Dex is located to be cloned. Now we go through Saints Row: The Third normally until the end of the game. This time since Loren is dead we see a conversation between Dex and Killbane. (Since Killbane is the last surviving Syndicate member) Dex tells Killbane they have the first clone ready but it didn't turn out the way they wanted. We see a picture of the clone and it looks exactly like Zombie Gat. Dex explains to Killbane that this clone wasn't normal. His eyes had been replaced with camera's and audio receivers. (Queue the glowing blue eyes of Zombie Gat.) Dex then tells Killbane that he plans to send the Zombie/cloned Gat to the Saints to spy on them until the time was right to strike out at them. (It's never said how long it is after the end of the game before Zombie Gat appears. We assume it's right after but you never know.) Killbane asks him how can we strike out we barely have any forces. Dex steps over and we see Cyrus who then tells Killbane he wants to get rid of the Saints just as much as Dex and he does. The three agree and have joined up with each other in the new city to fight the Saints. Killbane has his Luchadores, Dex the Masako, and Cyrus has STAG. The Saints have left Ultor after taking out the Syndicate because it was causing to many problems for them. The main reason though was to honor Johnny's wish about how soft they had become. (Mostly getting this from when he is talking in the jail cell. They still don't know about Dex taking over Ultor.) They are just chilling in Steelport when suddenly the cloned Johnny comes after them. (Trouble With Clones DLC) After a few missions of taking out zombies we end up killing the original Zombie/Cloned Gat. Kinzie notices his eyes are different and finds out they're camera's. She tries to hack them to find where the recordings are going to. All she gets out of it is Dex. The boss becomes angry when he hears Dex's name and wonders why Johnny's body has camera's. Kinzie says she doesn't know. They still have to have a proper funeral for him so they go ahead with that. They are in Stilwater now at Johnny's funeral when STAG N-Forcers, Luchadore Criminals, and Masako Bears come in guns blazing. All the vehicles have the Ultor symbol on them. After the gunfight one of the attackers is still alive and tries to run. The boss shoots him but doesn't kill him. The boss then questions him about who he is and all that. The guard says he is with Dex and they had been sent to exterminate the Saints at the funeral. The boss shoots him after making some type of remark and is extremely angry that Dex has taken over Ultor and is coming after him and the Saints. Not only that but that Killbane and Cyrus had joined up with him. They all return to the hideout but strangely Viola is missing. They figure she will pop up sooner or later at the hideout. (Purgatory if your wondering which has now been turned in to a skyscraper.) (All the saints are in the penthouse looking for Viola. They can't find her so they wait a day by crashing there. Next day nobody knew where she was.) The boss was going to make plans to go find her but the three (Killbane, Cyrus and Dex) had acted first. Dex is on the tv along with Killbane and Cyrus. He is telling the Saints that they are finished and he will ruin them on a news broadcast. After discussing this for a bit he points behind him. We see Viola, Matt, and Johnny all in a line tied up to some chairs. Dex asks for each of them to introduce themselves. They do. Johnny makes some wise crack towards Dex. Killbane comes over punches him in the gut to shut him up. He makes another comment and Dex asks Killbane to drag him out of the room. He does that. Dex talks some more telling Viola to give Matt the Saints bank account numbers. (Since she has a masters in economics she handles all the Saints money.) (The saints had there numbers security locked big time after Matt hacked them the last time.) She disagrees at first but Dex slaps her and has a guard point a gun at her head. She starts telling Matt the numbers and he types them in to his computer. (he is at gunpoint as well and scared out of his mind.) Once the numbers pop up on the screen everybody starts stealing the saints money. The boss tries to stop it but Matt has locked all the saints out. Once it is depleted Dex has them dragged off to the jail cells in case he needs them later. He then asks that Cyrus take the stand. Cyrus does and asks that the screen be changed. We now see a sniper scope which is pointed at the boss's shoulder which is the only part showing. Cyrus gives the order to fire. The boss tries to dodge the bullet but it ends up hitting his/her shoulder. (Cyrus is heard saying the building is surrounded.) The boss then tells the other saints to get out of there and he/she will cover them. They do just that. Well some of Dex's army (what I'm calling the Masako and all of those people working with Dex.) bust in to the penthouse and a fire fight between the boss and them starts. After the firefight a bunch of VTOL's appear and blast the penthouse floor with missiles. The boss is flung around still alive but to dazed to get up. The roof crumbles on him/her and the screen blacks out. This is where Saints Row 4 starts out. Your in the character customization screen then you wake up in a hospital. It's only been a few days. Your saints came back and rescued you. This my friends is how I believe Saints Row 4 will start out and what the fate of Johnny Gat is. 4 will have you saving him and taking out your last enemies in the new final city :) I know it was a bit long but hey I had to make sure everything was right or else it wouldn't of made sense. If it still doesn't then let me know and I'll explain.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 27, 2012 - 2:14AM
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Finally! I was getting tired of reading all the Johnny Gat topics O.o
Here's my idea of what happened. This is based off the Save Shaundi ending.
After we hear the gunshots it goes to a screen of Johnny. He turns around and shoots up the Syndicate guards who where shooting at him. As he leaves the cockpit somebody was hiding behind him against the wall. They come up behind him and knock him out. We are given the full scene of Loren talking to Killbane and Matt only through Johnny's eyes. He is blacking in and out of consciousness before finally going out again. After Loren is done talking to Killbane and Matt he asks the twins to leave because he is calling his employer. He rings somebody else up. This person turns out to be Dex who has taken control of Ultor after Eric Gryphon's unfortunate death. (Staged assassination. The saints have no idea any of this has happened. yet ;) ) Loren tells Dex he has a old friend of his and the camera shows Johnny. (I thinks it's been proven he is in the room. If you watch the cut scene you can see him against the desk.) Dex tells him good and that he wants him right away. Loren agrees asking what Dex will plan to do with him.
They get in to a conversation about the cloning program they have. They are going to try and clone a Johnny army to fight the Saints. (Personally I wouldn't want to fight that army O.o one Johnny is enough an army though...) After some more discussion Loren agrees to have Johnny sent to the city where Dex is located to be cloned.
Now we go through Saints Row: The Third normally until the end of the game. This time since Loren is dead we see a conversation between Dex and Killbane. (Since Killbane is the last surviving Syndicate member) Dex tells Killbane they have the first clone ready but it didn't turn out the way they wanted. We see a picture of the clone and it looks exactly like Zombie Gat. Dex explains to Killbane that this clone wasn't normal. His eyes had been replaced with camera's and audio receivers. (Queue the glowing blue eyes of Zombie Gat.) Dex then tells Killbane that he plans to send the Zombie/cloned Gat to the Saints to spy on them until the time was right to strike out at them. (It's never said how long it is after the end of the game before Zombie Gat appears. We assume it's right after but you never know.) Killbane asks him how can we strike out we barely have any forces. Dex steps over and we see Cyrus who then tells Killbane he wants to get rid of the Saints just as much as Dex and he does. The three agree and have joined up with each other in the new city to fight the Saints. Killbane has his Luchadores, Dex the Masako, and Cyrus has STAG.
The Saints have left Ultor after taking out the Syndicate because it was causing to many problems for them. The main reason though was to honor Johnny's wish about how soft they had become. (Mostly getting this from when he is talking in the jail cell. They still don't know about Dex taking over Ultor.) They are just chilling in Steelport when suddenly the cloned Johnny comes after them. (Trouble With Clones DLC) After a few missions of taking out zombies we end up killing the original Zombie/Cloned Gat. Kinzie notices his eyes are different and finds out they're camera's. She tries to hack them to find where the recordings are going to. All she gets out of it is Dex. The boss becomes angry when he hears Dex's name and wonders why Johnny's body has camera's. Kinzie says she doesn't know. They still have to have a proper funeral for him so they go ahead with that.
They are in Stilwater now at Johnny's funeral when STAG N-Forcers, Luchadore Criminals, and Masako Bears come in guns blazing. All the vehicles have the Ultor symbol on them. After the gunfight one of the attackers is still alive and tries to run. The boss shoots him but doesn't kill him. The boss then questions him about who he is and all that. The guard says he is with Dex and they had been sent to exterminate the Saints at the funeral. The boss shoots him after making some type of remark and is extremely angry that Dex has taken over Ultor and is coming after him and the Saints. Not only that but that Killbane and Cyrus had joined up with him. They all return to the hideout but strangely Viola is missing. They figure she will pop up sooner or later at the hideout. (Purgatory if your wondering which has now been turned in to a skyscraper.) (All the saints are in the penthouse looking for Viola. They can't find her so they wait a day by crashing there. Next day nobody knew where she was.)
The boss was going to make plans to go find her but the three (Killbane, Cyrus and Dex) had acted first. Dex is on the tv along with Killbane and Cyrus. He is telling the Saints that they are finished and he will ruin them on a news broadcast. After discussing this for a bit he points behind him. We see Viola, Matt, and Johnny all in a line tied up to some chairs. Dex asks for each of them to introduce themselves. They do. Johnny makes some wise crack towards Dex. Killbane comes over punches him in the gut to shut him up. He makes another comment and Dex asks Killbane to drag him out of the room. He does that.
Dex talks some more telling Viola to give Matt the Saints bank account numbers. (Since she has a masters in economics she handles all the Saints money.) (The saints had there numbers security locked big time after Matt hacked them the last time.) She disagrees at first but Dex slaps her and has a guard point a gun at her head. She starts telling Matt the numbers and he types them in to his computer. (he is at gunpoint as well and scared out of his mind.) Once the numbers pop up on the screen everybody starts stealing the saints money. The boss tries to stop it but Matt has locked all the saints out. Once it is depleted Dex has them dragged off to the jail cells in case he needs them later. He then asks that Cyrus take the stand. Cyrus does and asks that the screen be changed. We now see a sniper scope which is pointed at the boss's shoulder which is the only part showing. Cyrus gives the order to fire. The boss tries to dodge the bullet but it ends up hitting his/her shoulder. (Cyrus is heard saying the building is surrounded.) The boss then tells the other saints to get out of there and he/she will cover them.
They do just that. Well some of Dex's army (what I'm calling the Masako and all of those people working with Dex.) bust in to the penthouse and a fire fight between the boss and them starts. After the firefight a bunch of VTOL's appear and blast the penthouse floor with missiles. The boss is flung around still alive but to dazed to get up. The roof crumbles on him/her and the screen blacks out.
This is where Saints Row 4 starts out. Your in the character customization screen then you wake up in a hospital. It's only been a few days. Your saints came back and rescued you.
This my friends is how I believe Saints Row 4 will start out and what the fate of Johnny Gat is. 4 will have you saving him and taking out your last enemies in the new final city :) I know it was a bit long but hey I had to make sure everything was right or else it wouldn't of made sense. If it still doesn't then let me know and I'll explain.
Ok To All Who Think Johnny is Alive Read the ****en Book The Guide Book has the lead writer the one who decieds who lives and who dies He says it Johnny Gat Is Dead he will not be back at all he was killed they was going to have his death better like a battle between him and the syndicate leader loren they was going to do that but they dident Steve jaros Lead writer Said he told them all to kill off gat he is dead get the book and see Johnny Gat Will not return Im sorry for u all but stop about johnny hes dead say great things about him but hes dead get over it Johnny Gat is dead so is the guy who dose the voice of johnny gat says hes dead everyone says it belive it hes dead he will not be back ever again u do know if u keep saying things like what happen i can sue each and everyone of u for faulse information u can be sued so keep it up i get ur ip i find u and sue u and also dont plan the next game cause they wont do that they dont care what u say Dex works for Ultor in a differnt place NOT THE SYndicate hes out of the gang stuff thats waht the syndicate is a gang he wont do gangs again hes out Johnny Julius is dead get over it dex left ur mc my never kill dex we may forget he exsit so stop writing fulse info or i will sue u all and courts will make it so i win cause ill have THQ and Volition people there to see that u all are stealing from them u are stealing owned names Johnny Gat is a owned name by the company so is Dex if u use them they will sue and also Cyrus wont join up with a gang They hate the syndicate cyrus is Stag keep to how they run the game or dont speak about **** at all
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1 year ago ::
Jan 27, 2012 - 2:21AM
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Is Johnny Gat, one of the most influential characters in the history of the Third Street Saints, dead? Alive? On the "Lost" island? Who knows! But we know one thing, this is now the thread to discuss the beloved Mr. Gat.
All discussion on Gat's whereabouts and motives should now be posted here to prevent the Single Player section from overflowing with similar threads. Have an idea of where Gat is? Post it here. Think he's dead? Tell us why here.
Remember, play nice! It's fun to discuss the possibilities, but not fun attacking other users for having different opinions on the subject.
-DC
and deadly clone No one will stop attacking others untill they stop this ****en fantasy of johnny living hes buy the damn book
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1 year ago ::
Jan 27, 2012 - 2:57AM
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wow dude/dudet. Ok first off you can't sue somebody for their opinion. www.toplawfirm.com/whatisdefamation.html I quote from that page , "Further, the statement of an opinion generally will not constitute defamation, since it is not offered as a statement of fact." Second off take a chill pill. Thirdly, and I quote this Steve Jaros said this in an interview about Johnny , "Loren is a very dishonest guy and there never really was a body." Fourthly, go ahead come at me if you can get my ip (highly unlikely considering internet company's use proxy servers and you have to go through that first to find it out. I highly doubt you could get that far anyways.) I have evidence that you did it right here on the webpage if you do. Sue me hah I can get you jail time for cyber hacking and threats. On top of that i can sue you for those two things as well. and finally what DC said at the top of this thread and I quote again ,"Remember, play nice! It's fun to discuss the possibilities, but not fun attacking other users for having different opinions on the subject." What the actor says could be a lie to cover up for his return. I mean if you had a character that was that important and the company was going to bring them back would you rat them out? Hell no you wouldn't. I'm open minded and will accept either possbility of him being dead or alive. Unless I hear it from the Lead project designer him/her self I will keep my opinion until the DLC comes out and 4. Also as ChevyGuy87 said in one of your other threads do you always believe a book? Again until I hear it from the project lead I'll stick with my opinion. I think I've proven my point. /conversation To any admins or moderators I am defending myself so I don't think this constitutes as me attacking this person. If I am wrong then let me know and I'll fix the post.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 27, 2012 - 3:49AM
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I would also like to add as a suggestion to you WildCatKing66. Please for the sake of people reading these forums and posts put some punctuation in your sentences, fix your grammar, and your sentence structure. I honestly have no idea what you just said up there. Dex never left Ultor he is still head security of them. He left for a different city so the Saints wouldn't kill him. Don't you find it strange how they completely forgot about him in The Third? The boss wanted to end him but didn't get the chance. As for Cyrus they made him look like an ass in front of the world on T.V. Do you think he would pass up a possibility to end the Saints even if that goes against what STAG stood for? I mean they where going to blow up a statue for f**k sake! That doesn't sound like people who fight gangs to me but more like a terrorist unit. The answer to that question is no he wouldn't pass it up. Remember how he acted towards Monica in the end scene. He despised her you can tell by his voice. Also again it was my opinion. How can Volition sue me if I'm writing an opinion of what I believe will happen? Do you honestly think they care if I write/type something like that? Unless I go and start advertising the story saying it's mine then ya but the only time any of this has been brought up is on this site under the Steelport Story's section and here. Volition have been know to throw in plot twists like that. A good example would be the end of Saints Row. I didn't even expect the boat to blow up. Open your mind up kid and stop bashing other people for their opinions. Killbane is in it for revenge. I mean he was humiliated on national TV and he killed Kiki without remorse. Dex talks to him because he is the last living member of the Syndicate since Loren was dead and Viola joined the Saints to get her revenge back on Killbane for killing Kiki. Again I end my conversation with you because I get the feeling I'm just talking to a wall. Good day to you sir or madam. Oh and a tib bit of information I'm sure that will crack this nut wide open is this. saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/Dexter_Jackson go down to the part where it says Trouble With Clones and enlighten yourself :) Again good day :P *walks to door opens and leaves. Then closes the door leaving the room in darkness*
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1 year ago ::
Jan 27, 2012 - 5:05AM
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I have to agree with KrypticKX on that one, but I also have my idea of what happened (Those of you familiar with my fanfic already know this) *ahem* As Boss and Shaundi escaped from the plane, Johnny got shot but not fatally. Let's say he took a bullet to both legs, then one to the arm. He blacked out from the pain, then woke up in the Syndicate's cloning facility. A clone was created of him, but it was a failure since it acted much like the brutes, completely idiotic and highly agressive. Loren decides to kill off this clone and send it to the Saints as the ultimate trolololl (a$$hole). Well during the Saints attack on Loren tower, Johnny escapes unharmed, but decides he doesn't want to go along with the new celebrity life and fakes his death hiding in Steelport incognito. Well sooner or later, Gat receives word that the Saints blew up the Thermopylae. This makes him realize that the Saints are still the baddest f*cking gang in the world and he rejoins them. That's just my opinion. If you don't like it...*points to door with a wild badger behind it* there's the door. Have a nice day folks :D
"Always follow your dreams kids, because if you don't, you'll become your parents. How f*cking depressing is that?"
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1 year ago ::
Jan 27, 2012 - 5:10AM
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I have to agree with KrypticKX on that one, but I also have my idea of what happened (Those of you familiar with my fanfic already know this)
*ahem*
As Boss and Shaundi escaped from the plane, Johnny got shot but not fatally. Let's say he took a bullet to both legs, then one to the arm. He blacked out from the pain, then woke up in the Syndicate's cloning facility. A clone was created of him, but it was a failure since it acted much like the brutes, completely idiotic and highly agressive. Loren decides to kill off this clone and send it to the Saints as the ultimate trolololl (a$$hole). Well during the Saints attack on Loren tower, Johnny escapes unharmed, but decides he doesn't want to go along with the new celebrity life and fakes his death hiding in Steelport incognito. Well sooner or later, Gat receives word that the Saints blew up the Thermopylae. This makes him realize that the Saints are still the baddest f*cking gang in the world and he rejoins them.
That's just my opinion. If you don't like it...*points to door with a wild badger behind it* there's the door. Have a nice day folks :D
LOL nice. I can see that happening. Without the badger though O.O I've had to deal with one in my friends house before O.o not fun not fun...
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