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Devianza, for many years, I have been a proponent of the position you have been espousing in this thread and I absolutely agree with you. I also find it VERY interesting that you mentioned Larry Flynt because he and Hustler were the pioneers of trying to change that particular social paradigm in the Seventies and he was literally persecuted for it. It wasn't just Larry either, because Playboy was also a strong supporter of a societal examination of these (for lack of a better word) backward societal values. Video games at that time did NOT have the technological ability or graphics to have been relevent to this discussion, so obvously Flynt and other crusaders like him focused on films and TV, and their trenchant observations are quite honestly as valid today, decades later, as they were then. These observant folks basically called the people and the powers that be on their rather strange hypocrisy, which you sort of alluded to in your post a few down on this page. It has ALWAYS struck me as patently absurd that you can depict the destruction, torture, and mutilation of the human body in the most frighteningly violent and bloody ways and that's fine. But God forbid (YES PUN INTENDED!!) you should show the unblemished, nude human form in a peaceful, and dare say nurturing way. So you can blow up, burn, tear limb-from-limb, and hack to little bits this marvelous creation known as the human body, but DON'T YOU DARE openly celebrate its sexuality because then you are a pervert!

Seriously...what's wrong with this picture?

Jun 9, 2012 -- 11:15PM, P4CKtheHEAT wrote:

As bias as his rebuttle was... TBH,  I kinda hated how the purple Dildo was 90% of how SR3 was advertised.

This is unabashedly wrong. However, in your defense and others who have also stated this opinion, I think I can understand where this perception comes from. The fact is that the big, purple, wobbly, floppy, (and let's face it) absurd dildo weapon is just so out there that it is an automatic attention getter. In reality, however, to answer your point, NO, not even close to 90% of SR's official advertisements were dildo-obsessed. THE PEOPLE who saw the ads and watched the videos became dildo obsessed, and this is why it sometimes seems as if Volition was.

Go ahead and watch all the official trailers, pre-release videos, and those long gameplay video-interviews that Volition did to hype the game. You will see that the devs really balance the advertisement and hype quite nicely, and if anything kind of download that whole dildo thing. Yes they certainly mention it in a  bunch of the videos, but 90% of their advertisement content? Seriously, not even close. Again, though, I totally don't blame you for thinking that, because it definitely was something that 90% of the people who loved (and hated!) the game seemed to focus in on, but Volition, if anything, referenced it almost in passing and just gave it the obligatory "Oh wow look at this cool gameplay feature!" shpeal!

Jun 10, 2012 -- 6:35AM, JohnnyPrat wrote:

A Red Dead Redemption or Skyrim? I wouldn't want SR to be like that.

To be honest, the SRTT hate is getting too over the top.

I agree with you about DRD and Skyrim. I never even bought those games because they DO NOT intereste me.

As for the hate, allow me to give you a slightly different perspective: I think that most of the people who LOVE SR The Third are not really posting in this forum much anymore. There is you, myself, HopeGuessMyName, and a few others. This forum, in my honest opinion is extremely skewed toward the hate because most of the people still posting and lingering here are unhappy with SR3 and can't or won't "move on" for whatever reason, so this forum is their vehicle to rant, which is acceptable. I mean they are customers, too, right?

However, if you were around right after the game was released you would see that MOST PEOPLE here loved the game and there was a very tiny vocal minority that hated on it.

Now, it only SEEMS like most people hate the game simply because most of the people lingering in this forum do!

I have looked at a ton of other forums, read all the reviews, even checked out some gamer blogs and they tell a totally different story. The vast majority of the gaming community that came into contact with this game LOVES it. I would NOT be so quick to take the vocal-few in this forum so seriously, and more importantly, I certainly would NOT assume that they speak for the entire Saint's Row fan base! :)

The facebook community was the same way, the lovers had the haters outnumbered but the lovers just moved on to other games or other communities.  I still see far more SR3 lovers on adult modding sites than haters here or on FB, many who are happy that Volition made the boobies jiggle in SR3 and added all the sexual innuendo and wished they took it even further, which is why they're on modding sites requesting mods to take it further.  It comes down to this, sex sells despite the fact quite a few are a bit repressed or feel guilty about enjoying that type of content in games, like the writer in that article the op posted.  I guarantee he's a repressed dork whose merely using his wife and child as the excuse.  And here's the thing about the SR franchise, does Volition want to grow with its fanbase and continue to make games that they're interested in, or stagnate in order to please the few who still think the gangbanging thing is cool?  Rubin seems to be "hip" with whats in and whats out.  So I'm pretty sure he'll make sure SR4 moves forward rather than backwards, so I actually expect SR4 to take what SR3 did and do it in a bigger way.  Fact is, SR3 continues to sell and so does the DLC.  If the haters were really the majority that wouldn't be the case.

As for Skyrim, its a fun game and all but comparing an open world rpg title to an open world shooter is a bit odd.  Bethesda can do things Volition can't because of the type of genre they're in.  For example, they can add tons and tons of fluffy dialogue to make the game seem longer than it really is, and since there's no cars, gamers have to hoof it from location to location which is far more time consuming then speeding in a jet to get to location to location, so that makes the game seem longer and "bigger" as well, when in reality it isn't.  Oblivion for example, I fast forwarded through all the dialogue and fast traveled to all the locations and got the main quest finished in less than three hours.  But then there was the one side quest where I had to find individual shrines to get the blessing of the nine or something.  It was a very long quest but only because I had to walk/run everywhere, not because of anything else.  So basically they just create a big map and write enough dialogue to fill a stephen king book and then make gamers feel like they're providing hours and hours of gameplay value because the player has to take eons to travel from location to location and read a lot.

Talk about a mind trick...

I play Saints Row because it's juvenile. I like horribly mutilating NPCs, I like watching prostitutes and strippers, I like smacking people with a floppy purple horse dildo, and I like toilet humor.

If I want to play a game like Skyrim. I. Would. Play. Skyrim. Duh. Which I do.

Jun 10, 2012 -- 12:17PM, Devianza wrote:

he'll make sure SR4 moves forward rather than backwards, so I actually expect SR4 to take what SR3 did and do it in a bigger way.  Fact is, SR3 continues to sell and so does the DLC.  If the haters were really the majority that wouldn't be the case.

I agree with everything you said, but particularly the part I made bold.